we all know cars (ICE) are depreciating purchase
but EV is another level of depreciation not seen since..J Edgar Hoover
Cheaper than sweet and sour
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we all know cars (ICE) are depreciating purchase
but EV is another level of depreciation not seen since..J Edgar Hoover
We already know cars depreciates but these EVs depreciation is a whole new level of depreciation not seen since...
J Edgar Hoover of the CIA.
seeing double for some strange reason...
double the depreciation compared to ICE.
double the depreciation compared to ICE.
They released Australian stats either last week or the week before.
ICE at the 2 year mark, 14% depreciation, EV 42% at the 2 year mark.
Never knew we were this desperate since Telstra offered shares
Inchcape has successfully established the price at which Peugeot electrics will sell.
So now we see the Stellantis policy for Australia. Cheap and cheerful Chinese Leapmotor EV's are coming here, imported through Jeep.
Russell, keep in mind that all manufacturers will be forced to actively push EVs in their lineup because of the way the proposed fuel efficiency standards rules are being framed. If a van like the 1.2lt 3cyl Partner emits 136g/km CO2 now, it's not going to magically emit half that by 2029 or Peugeot would be doing that already. The target to be achieved by 2029 is something like 75g/km as a 'fleet' average for commercials to avid being fined $100/g per vehicle sold for exceeding the fleet average limit. As it's impossible to make that Partner emit half the CO2 it does now the only way is to sell EVs. PHEVs are a good option for owners here, but there are ideologues who simply despise PHEVs. There is a fair criticism that drivers may not plug them in an achieve the test very low emissions, but having this type of vehicle makes sense for our country. Anyway, also have a look at some of the declining asking prices for the Partner EV that seems to be following the general trend set by e-2008 and others cutting prices to sell the vehicles.
so damn if you do damn if you don't (protect the environment by using non fossil generated electricity)
courtesy of publicly available article, Sydney Morning Herald,
'The biggest electricity distributor on the east coast plans to charge households with solar panels to export their electricity to the grid during the middle of the day.
The new policy by Ausgrid, which owns the poles and wires for 2 million residential and small business customers across Sydney, the Central Coast, Newcastle and the Hunter Valley, penalises solar panel owners who do not own a home battery to store the energy they produce.'
Trying to confuse and complicate things for the customer all because they want to maximise their profit
'Ausgrid will impose a penalty of 1.2¢ a kilowatt-hour for any electricity exported to the gird between 10am and 3pm above a free threshold that varies by month. During peak demand times, between 4pm and 9pm, Ausgrid would pay 2.3¢ an hour as a reward to customers exporting solar to the grid.'
'Solar panels only generate electricity while the sun is shining, while batteries allow households to store their excess energy for their own consumption at night, or to export it to the grid when the price is higher – but they cost upwards of $9000.' --- and that's like the cheapest battery you can find. ala k mart.
ev anyone?
courtesy of publicly available article, Sydney Morning Herald,
'The biggest electricity distributor on the east coast plans to charge households with solar panels to export their electricity to the grid during the middle of the day.
The new policy by Ausgrid, which owns the poles and wires for 2 million residential and small business customers across Sydney, the Central Coast, Newcastle and the Hunter Valley, penalises solar panel owners who do not own a home battery to store the energy they produce.'
Trying to confuse and complicate things for the customer all because they want to maximise their profit
'Ausgrid will impose a penalty of 1.2¢ a kilowatt-hour for any electricity exported to the gird between 10am and 3pm above a free threshold that varies by month. During peak demand times, between 4pm and 9pm, Ausgrid would pay 2.3¢ an hour as a reward to customers exporting solar to the grid.'
'Solar panels only generate electricity while the sun is shining, while batteries allow households to store their excess energy for their own consumption at night, or to export it to the grid when the price is higher – but they cost upwards of $9000.' --- and that's like the cheapest battery you can find. ala k mart.
ev anyone?
On a 5 year replacement cycle for diesel utes, we got away with it this year but 2029 will be interesting.
With solar, yes, there is too much capacity at lunchtime and there will be even more being installed. Don't put cheap batteries on the side of your home and also don't be thinking some random old Li-ion EV batteries are a good idea. If you were to red the Tesla Powerwall installation instructions they have certain requirement to ensure the unit can be adequately protected from mechanical damage, falling and especially allowing for adequate cooling. So, plug in the car at lunchtime to take some of that excess and save 1.2c / kWh not exported.
Another (relative) bargain if you are looking at this price point ...
From the Peugeot Offers webpage here the 3008 PHEV is currently on offer for $70K driveaway for delivery up to 31st May. I think these are a dual motor setup and were previously priced to be a fraction inside the FBT/LCT exemption threshold that was approx $85K.
Remember, if you want a PHEV using salary sacrifice to pay for it and want to claim the FBT exemption you will need to have it on the road by 31/3/24. Currently, the exemption would run for the period of the lease. Beware that if you take a short lease with an option to extend further, the sunset for the FBT exemption has been framed in a way that the exemption doesn't extend when the lease extension option is exercised. Instead, you'd consider a longer lease and ensure you can still exit early on fair terms.
Some extras, such as a pre-paid service plan (it will save you money here and could be rolled into the leased cost), won't count towards the threshold, but at $70K, there is now plenty of headroom for any extras fitted at delivery. That wasn't the case with the original price of this model.
See the offer detail here.
Another (relative) bargain if you are looking at this price point ...
From the Peugeot Offers webpage here the 3008 PHEV is currently on offer for $70K driveaway for delivery up to 31st May. I think these are a dual motor setup and were previously priced to be a fraction inside the FBT/LCT exemption threshold that was approx $85K.
Remember, if you want a PHEV using salary sacrifice to pay for it and want to claim the FBT exemption you will need to have it on the road by 31/3/24. Currently, the exemption would run for the period of the lease. Beware that if you take a short lease with an option to extend further, the sunset for the FBT exemption has been framed in a way that the exemption doesn't extend when the lease extension option is exercised. Instead, you'd consider a longer lease and ensure you can still exit early on fair terms.
Some extras, such as a pre-paid service plan (it will save you money here and could be rolled into the leased cost), won't count towards the threshold, but at $70K, there is now plenty of headroom for any extras fitted at delivery. That wasn't the case with the original price of this model.
See the offer detail here.
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Also ... e-Partner EV LCV is now going out the door with multiple dealers offering heavy discounts vs the original $65K+ price. If you look at those listed on CarSales there are several well under $50K and then more for around $50K. This one, a dealer demo in Victoria, is the least expensive. If you wanted an e-2008, needed the extra seats, and missed out, you could conceivably cut the rear panels of this van to fit glass and add another row of seats to end up with something like the old Berlingo Multi-space. FBT exemption would apply here also. The EV platform under this is effectively the same as the e-2008.
